Carpathian Shaman – Ukraine Mofarka, Molfar; Polish Szeptuchami & Whisperer; Belarus Whisperers and Hungarian Lidercz, Táltos

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By Phoenix of Elder Mountain   It gives me great pleasure to gather this wonderful information of the traditional Whispering Folk Healing rites from various sources and my own experiences as a Dreamer (shaman) along with my extensive whispering gifts, my ancestral lineages are from my families region of southeastern Poland at the Ukraine border. Most people learn shamanistic cultural ways from researchers, authors and conference circuit people who are wonderful writers and speakers.

I don’t teach people to be shamans, that is impossible, I don’t sing shaman songs because there are none, we are speaking of the shaman, not the voice of information gatherers who hold a drum in their hand or the ceremonial person who gives their wisdom, or the sweat lodge person, we are speaking of one who masters silence and has a lifelong sickness and soul sickness to overcome in order to help others and their soul sicknesses that effect their mind or body. Shamans, the ancient souls, were rare on the planet a million years ago and they are rare still rare today.

The root all shamans is healer, that is the main aspects, when you add things like exorcisms, or dream walking, or shadow hunting, you enter many layers deeper of shamans who are both wielders of life and death. Each culture has their own diseases, so each shaman will vary in their own traditions and the individual shaman carries their own particular layerings of remembrance from many lifetimes opened by extreme sickness.

My grandmothers are of a shamanic lineage that is closer in description, to the black shamans of Siberia. Once the Black Madonna was “regulated” by christian religions, the Slavic and Balkan people fell asleep and forgot she was a black shaman, because religion rolled her into the ‘mother goddess’ role, when her roots and origins were not and nothing to do with children in general. Same occurred with Baba Jaga who is much more archaic and now in prison in the fairy-tales of life. 

Carpathian Shamanism, although given different names explained here, is a long ancestral lineage where Slovak, Poland and Ukraine meet. The root of the Whisperer as a shaman (not witch). Witch and Shaman really only have a few things in common but are very different, the first difference is paganism, the root of witches if a Dionysus cult foundation and that arrived late on the time-line (500 bce) compared to shamans in the non-pagan cultures such as shamans and dreamers. There maybe some similarities in objects or tools, but at the root its not the same. Witch was a derogatory term given to women, all women (shamans, witches, herbalists, midwives, seers, etc) by Christian religious men all over the world.

Mol’farka (and Molfars) are similar to Whisperer which is a folk healer (shaman-healer)  and both are still is around in modern times, all shamans are healers regardless of ancient and modern corruption.  Since i have a blending of both (Poland-Ukraine border ancestors), one which switched borders back and forth over the decades, my ancestral heritage is shaman, not witch, and is why whisperers and molfars are connected, not exactly the same, but the root is connected through shamanism.

Mol’farka (Molfar) can whisper for the sick all the way to the shamanic ends of whispering in ceremonial rights of what I can do, which is exorcisms. The traditions of shamans are in all countries, red, white, yellow, black and brown peoples and shamans within all those are rare, even today. In the Slavic traditions, the Boyko (Бойко) is a Polish and Ukrainian ethnographic group located in the Carpathian Mountains of Ukraine and Poland who have hidden in small villages women and men who still practice their folk traditions of shamanism.  They inhabit the central and the western half of the Carpathians in Ukraine across such regions as the southern Lviv Oblast (Skole, Turka, Drohobych, Sambir and Stary Sambir raions), western Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast (Dolyna and Rozhniativ) and parts of the northeastern Zakarpattia oblast (Mizhhiria), as well as the adjacent areas of southeast Poland and northeast Slovakia.

Parts of Southern Poland at the Ukraine border at one time were Ukrainian lands, and when the lands were divided, some far southern groups of Polish people have Ukrainian ancestral lineages like myself. The term “Ukrainian” replaced the term “Ruthenian” in Eastern Ukraine and became more common among Western Ruthenians/Ukrainians, including Boykos, as well. The name, “Boyko” is thought by some to originate in a pattern of speech, specifically the uses of the affirmative exclamation “bo-ye!”, meaning the only or because it is so.

On the grounds forming Boyko, there are Boykos with Lemkos and Hutsuls in an area that was known as White Croatia and with their dialect, language, folk costumes are almost equal with Dinaric Croatian and it is to be considered as Croatian ethnic group.

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To the south or southwest live the Lemkos and to east or southeast live the Hutsuls, the two other highlander ethnic and more indigenous Ukraine people.  In regards to both the corruption of ancient cultures from the kingdoms of religious military and pagan traditions, who like the religious took on a more male leadership, despite their destruction it had on the earlier pre-12th century indigenous people. The Molfarka (women) and Molfar (men) (мольфа́р) still exists of course but as I stated, all shamans are rare even in larger populated areas.

A Molfar is a lighter version of shaman, more like a medicine woman or medicine man, which are just called Carpathian Folk Healer. Most Slavs and Balkans call their gifted shamans Folk Healers and the terms can really be thought of as the same, even the ones who are Witch healers. In the more indigenous traditions of the Hutsul culture, they still call themselves shamans. When religion arrived, the shaman name was eventually called witches because most healer shamans were women. Gifted healing abilities that tend focus more on faith combined with nature, healing, seership, herbalism and the inseparable relations with nature in a more supernatural and shamanic ways still survive in Balkan and Slavic hearts or at least the ones who have the gifts themselves

The few people who are born to enter a more advanced path of healing, of dreaming abilities reconnect to the Slavic and Balkan earlier shamanic tradition. As the pagans had risen to power, the opportunity to explore more in the ways of healing like the rest of the world has, will also reclaim and step into ore pre-religious traditions and for some who allows shamanic healing as well, into a pre-pagan origins of shamanism.

People who are of the Slavic and Carpathian ancestral traditions and even those who had to move around the world and leave their country, will find interest in such ancient traditions again and explore them like I did as I was entering adulthood. They have different names according to the respective cultures, such as in Poland the women shamans are sometimes called witches and also called Szeptuchami, the Polish & Belarus Folk Healers are called Whisperers (which some have undertones of shamanic gifts as well). Like their Ukraine Molfarka, Molfar neighbors, more Polish women are beginning to return to the roots of their ancient practices of healing that existed before the spread modern religion just as the men are returning to Paganism.

A commonality within all of these cultures is that the origin shamanic root base of all these cultures contain whispering. Many of the older women and men still have a devout faith in their Catholic or Christian faith healing traditions, but newer generations like myself do not and this allowed me to explore further without judgment or taboos of shamanism. I knew as a little girl that the religion tradition was not for me, even though I was very spiritual and that my father had out of body experiences as well as myself which made me respect all religious, pagan, shamanic and goddess cultures equally. The more open I was to all traditions of earth, the more I saw at the root of shamanism, they were all the same.

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40,000 year old shaman woman’s bear effigy

The rarer Molfar and Szeptuchami are exorcists as well, but again the church took over this tradition and so not many have performed them because people will just go to a priest instead because of the lack of education. A whisperer works with sicknesses of the soul that effect the physical body, and things that effect the physical body are generally the last of the illness to appear. If one has a karmic issue, then the physical body might have isolated issues of sickness of the body without the mental or emotional issues. But even within that, the past life soul issues is basically what has caused the current reincarnations physical issues and this of course is called Karma.  The emotional body and the blocks of the mental body cannot be separated and I teach my students that to touch this in another, they must be willing to touch it within themselves and open it up to be a powerful healer, regardless of whether they are fated to be a shaman or a healer.

The depth and mystery of ancient healing in my eyes is a seed within the self that can be nurtured and walked with as a living (healing) art, and why herbalists, ceremonial shamans must be completely  dedicated to the devotion of their own path and also make small sacrifices. A shaman must make major sacrifices and doesn’t have a choice. Many wish to be my friend, but too many things will surface if I accept ordinary friendships as a shaman and I can only enter peoples spaces who need healing because of that. So, that is just one of the many sacrifices shamans must make and that is true of Balkan and Slavic shamans.

The Slavic Shaman like the Native American or Aboriginal Indigenous shamans (those whose souls are fated to be shamans) are able to step into and enter the energy of both the earth along with the magical living soul of all humans who wishes to become well. We can pass through the veils and enter the natural forces from the inner spaces in both time (our mundane life) along side the no-time (dreaming or dreamtime), if one is advanced beyond the mental body. A Whisperer who is also is a dreamer, can become one with the natural or nature’s forces and have a real relationship with the consciousness of nature herself if they can pass the life tests and purify karma of their dark past lives. Then a Whisperer or Molfarka can enter the shamans realms.

There are many folk legends of weather shamans and magic in shamanism of the Slavic and Balkan traditions, I do not separate folk lore from shamanism in many traditional Slavic folk magic stories because most of these are all true. In Polish tradition I underwent my Vesta initiations and those are true because I lived them. All of the stories are true that I have found in the supernatural world (except for Unicorns), which were more of a cultural 14th century creation rather than a shamanic reality. But if I meet a Unicorn one day then I will accept and I have met many magical creatures and celestial ones as well, even fairies and domovois, but no unicorn.

she who whispersMen and women who are powerful healers, are fated by birth and they may not even know or understand this until their 30s or even 40s when they have some life skills and experiences already. Through many previous lives, soul accumulations of purified karma, a life of purity, and undergoing fated initiations adds to the Molfarka (and those around the world like them) because for thousand of years as human beings, we have been able to enter the non-physical aspects of diseases or spaces in what is called dreams.

Viking, Medieval and Archaic Pagan magicians attributed these qualities to the gods, but in more archaic and advanced shamanic forms, some Szeptuchami and Molfar possess the same qualities as their shaman counterparts, who connect to the natural power of nature, and their own more powerful higher souls. Humans don’t seem to understand that waking up spiritually gives us a view into our higher and multiple animism souls. All paganism and religion did was create a middle man between the god and goddess, removing it from our inner god and inner goddess called the higher self, the divine self. This too is part of shamanism.

Shamanism is completely opposite of traditional 12th -15th century magick which is based on controlling the elements or to use spells to control and manifest. Shamanism is the opposite which is about letting go of all control and power and let nature guide and teach. In Slavic shamanism, those who misuse spiritual power find sooner or later that ego, pride, power or being popular or famous in spirituality, has no real place in real mysticism or shamanism.

As an example, I was at a native american gathering in the Pacific Northwest for a peace ceremony, with some very powerful native elders who hosted many nations of tribes. I never really go to any of these things anymore, sine I turned 40 but something strong within me called me to go. I realized what it was, when I arrived, and saw a young Norse man about 35 years old, who worked with the Viking pagan tradition and had been invited to be in the ceremonial with the elders. I was just a visitor to this event and I had walked up to the young man and his girlfriend and said that the Native Americans do not treat their “sacred fires” like the Balkan or Slavic people do and shared with him how to respect their fire since he didn’t know. He was doing an energy healing on his girlfriend and throwing the residue into the fire an hour before the ceremony started.

As an elder, I was very shocked by his disrespect to my helpful information and his girlfriend became very fearful at those moments as she obviously understood that his ego had gotten in the way or that they were not really who they pretended to be. Since in his own country, pagan men rule and not many elder women have power over shamanic ceremony, rare do these older men ever invite grandmother to the power circles to lead the ceremonies. But this was not the case this day and during the ceremony when it was the Viking Pagan man’s turn to do his ritual in front of everyone in the greater circle, he happened to be directly facing me in the outer ring of people.

Since I am not a pagan, but a shaman, mystic and healer, I have never done one spell, nor influenced anything of individuals without their permission, because I carry very high ethics and values, nor do I wish to accrue karma from a whole life of paying karma off, plus I slayed my own ego from many circles of healing and healers I went to and elders I worked with when I was his age and honored them very much. During his 10 minute ceremony, there was a big cracking sound in the fire and it flamed up behind him, the same fire pit I tried to explain to him, and at that precise moment, his sacred bag around his hip fell to the ground. Then about a minute later his sacred Nordic Viking symbol necklace, flew off his body and landed about ten feet away.

I then saw the fear in his face, he was trying to stay focused but could not, he looked down (as he had his hands up praying to his gods with his eyes closed) and as he looked forward by the disturbances, he caught my eyes looking at him as he began to look away from the sky in his prayers. I put my hand in the prayer position and bowed and we locked eyes, without any facial expression nor intent except knowing that the youth are not powerful, they are victorious (over their own personal shadow if they work that instead of popularity and ego, which this young man worked from).

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The intensity of really pure healers and really powerful shamans are sometimes ostracized in many pagan and socio-religious or socio-spiritual societies still, this happens to them most of their life, but this is for a good reason. Those who are dedicated to such practices will always endure because they are tested over and over again by fate and the shamans, molfarka, whisperers are given much more pain and severe consequences for their actions, much more than other healers or spiritual people. True ancient paths are rarely attainable to their full extent without severe suffering, and the most difficult are very hard to attain, for a whole life must be dedicated to it. For the true shamans and folk healers, fate is absolutely necessary for advancement in mysticism and spiritual growth and the burning of karma. Who would chose such depth of pain for such a profession willingly? No one but the fated.

Obviously contemporary shamans as most shaman practitioners are trained in schools, or by book writers or online including plant (drug) shamans, and they tend not to encounter any such initiations by fire, rain, thunderstorms, demons, demonic tests etc and therefor do not respond to the levels of responsibilities in an everyday way of life that whisperer and real shamans do and believe me when I say, that is a blessing not to suffer such horrific mysticism and dark nights of the souls that can last two and three decades to be a shaman. Power that is grounded, disciplined, free from ego and a life of total dedication for decades shows many magical things are what Slavic shamanism is at its best when taken seriously and the path is do… or die.

The Belarus Whisperers

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Babka Yanina, Belarus Whisperer
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“My husband was seriously ill for a very long time; nothing helped him. The doctors said that they could not do anything for him. I began to whisper in the water and gave him this water to drink – and then he got better. After this people from the neighboring villages and towns came to me and asked me to whisper in the water. Now I am very old and whispering takes a lot of energy. I have to go into the forest to gather strength. That makes me feel better and I can carry on.

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Babka Yanina, Belarus Whisperer: “My uncle taught me to whisper. He was a powerful sorcerer. He knew words that you could say to paralyse a snake. I am able to heal tumours, fears, nerves and stammering. I attained my gift when I became blind.”

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Babka Nadzeja, Belarus Whisperer: “My mother’s gift was feared because of the times she lived in: the Soviet government did not recognise anything holy. During the war I fought as a partisan against the Nazis, and then worked in the school. People would laugh at me when they found out about my gift but when they asked for help I could not refuse them. Sadly, I could not help my family, Whispers only can help strangers in our family tradition.”

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Babka Stasia, Belarus Whisperer: My Catholic family was very religious, but I lost my mother when I was three and my father when I was seven, and I became an orphan. Most whisperers are Orthodox not Catholic. When I was older my mother-in-law and two old women in my village taught me to whisper, and how to burn threads and use smoke (smudge) to heal people.

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Babka Fiadora, Belarus Whisperer:
“I never went to school, not even once. When I was young times were hard, and children had to work. For 12 years I looked after cows in return for food. It was my grandmother who showed me how to use herbs and taught me to whisper. It was all word of mouth, because I can’t read. I only treat people when I know I will be able to help them.”

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Babka Katia, Belarus Whisperer:
“There was a communist in our village called Misha. One day he mowed the grass near the river and he was bitten by a snake. He became really ill and was close to death. He sent his wife to me, to ask for help. I was scared because he was a Communist. They disliked us believers so much; they mocked us, closed churches and sent priests to Siberia. But I could not say no, so I whispered in the water and he drank it and he got better. I don’t know if Misha ever believed in God but he knew the power of the word.”

The Hungarian Lidercz and Táltos Shamanistic remnants in Hungarian folklore

I wanted to add this last part, the Hungarian Lidercz, because comparative methods used in analyzing ethnographic data of Hungarian folktales, reveal some features of Hungarian folklore which are remnants of the older shamanistic beliefs. Táltos are believed to be the remnants of Hungary’s pre-Christian shamanic pre-pagan culture, but are only in folklore today. The article I read from a book translated from Hungarian to english, really described more paganism than it did shamanism.

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The Táltos is a woman in Hungarian mythology which means shaman. In the book “Magyar mitológia” Hungarian Mythology from 1854, a táltos is in direct contact with creatures and spirits during the pre-natal period and before incarnation. Once born, the Táltos has a special mission in life to help the souls of other members of her society and it is by fate of her birth that she carries the shaman power.

There is a reason most of the cultural shamanism of Balkan and Slavic traditions are rarer and this is because these traditions were held by women and of course as women were pushed out by religious corruptions and pagan leadership of men, so too were their shamanic traditions. Only in the more or most remote areas and mostly hush hush do these traditions survive.

Some information about the Hungarian shamanic traditions were maintained from the deep past, possibly borrowed from Turkic peoples with whom Hungarians used to live together before having wandered to the Pannonian Basin; and maybe is an effect of Eastern influence thereafter (Cuman immigration).

fc934f917873423b84ed64953668d27bPlaces where these remnants exist, like many Slavic and Balkan shamanism as well…

  • refrains of certain folk songs accompanying some customs
  • certain motifs of folktales, e.g. sky-reaching tree, which was a specific belief among several Uralic peoples, having some resemblances to the world tree concept, but it was also related to the shaman’s tree and had some other peculiarities as well.

There were also people who filled in similar roles to those performed by shamans among other peoples: such as fortune-tellers, weather magic, finding lost objects, seers and herbal healers, but those too were later pagan traditions (except for herbal healers). These people can be related to shamanism (contrasted to the cunning folk of non-shamanistic cultures), because the former are recorded to go through similar experiences to expansion of consciousness, really are not those of many shamans. The folk and oral traditions of those born with surplus amount of bones or teeth, illnesses and sicknesses of distortion and perception distortions (seeing things that are not there by normal people),  dismemberment by a mythological, supernatural and celestial beings, recovering with enlarged increased capabilities, struggles with other shamans etc are all related features can be recognized in several examples of shamanism in Siberia. This is true of all shamans.

As Hungarian language belongs to the Uralic family, we can expect to find them among Uralic peoples. Some of them maintained shamanism until the modern times, especially the isolated location of Nganasan people enabled that shamanism was a living phenomenon among them even in the beginning of 20th century, the last notable Nganasan shaman’s work could be recorded on film in the 1970s. The original location of the Proto-Uralic peoples (and its extent) is debated.

The combined results of several sciences suggest that this area was north of Central Ural Mountains and on lower and middle parts of Ob River. This approach combined ecological, namely phytogeographical and paleobotanic (including palynological) data together with linguistic (phytonymic and comparative) considerations: the distribution of various tree species in Siberia and Eastern Europe (changing in time) was matched against the distribution of the respective tree-names in various Uralic languages (filtered with comparative methods, so that only names of Proto-Uralic or Proto-Finno-Ugric relevance be taken into account).”

Video: In English

Videos in Polish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWzwV1FL_DY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niKilHkFBec

Video of Carpathian Molfar Mykhailo Nechay (Ukraine w English Subtitles):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB9uqyoILSk

Recently Molfar/Molfarka culture was brought back into the mainstream again when it was popularized by Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky’s book “Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors” published in 1911 and the subsequent film released in 1964 and hopefully the rest of the Slavic, Balkan and Eastern European cultures will also return.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1eINPmXuw4

Sources: All photos of the Babka’s of Belarus taken by Siarhiej Leskiec at the https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2016/aug/29/the-last-whisperers-of-belarus-in-pictures; Artwork of Wardruna by David D’Andrea with added words by me of what Wardruna means; Photo of Ukraine woman from http://www.facebook.com/TretiPivni, additional copy at Wiki and Ukrainian websites translated.

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  1. gerrie1020 says:

    Dziękuję! A friend posted your article on Facebook today! It is very timely – I just got back from an ancestors circle where I’ve been working with my mother’s Polish lineage. Goosebumps! Such luscious synchronicity! My ancestors have answered me through this article. Blessings.

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    1. Thank you for letting me know gerrie, i am glad your soul found it !! blessings to you!

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      1. karmic light says:

        It will be interesting for you to find out about Solomonar culture. They are shaman also but from Romania, the oldest culture in the world. They had/have the ability to change karma/way of karma… A lot of so called shaman are coming to Romania to find out more but they are going back without nothing because they are blessed to find out what their Ego not heart is looking for. For the heart bless you need to find out Zamolxe.

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      2. Thanks Karmic Light, I am very aware and familiar with this ability myself, and agree with you completely. I love Romanian culture! And the last thing you shared was Zamolxe – can you elaborate on that.

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    2. Fascinating and here is why: at a training program we were asked to approach the fire and loudly identify ourselves as Shamans; I approached the fire and whispered as per inner compulsion to do so. First time I have heard of whispering and I am Shaman in Training, not shaman

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      1. There are many types of whispering of many types of healing work, this is a bit different… whispering of a shaman is an exorcist.

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  2. Elinor says:

    This is a wonderful read. Do you have any texts that you could refer me to to find out more about the history of these practices?

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    1. Sorry Elinor I am not really a reader, I live the oral tradition and teach this to dedicated apprentices

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      1. Katherine Berezniy says:

        i am here thru the hands of Spirit
        I’ve been praying for you
        I am of White Russian/carpathian/Slavic heritage
        I’ve been learning indigenous practice with the native path, asking for my ancecrial
        Ways …the white road : the tree of life, bear, Raven …. my grandmother was a healer/dream walker /plant woman
        I dream, I talk to the other side, I’ve seen myself standing next to myself, I need to be in nature..,.i could go on
        Seeing the bear effigy sent me back in time

        After reading your article I said out loud I am a Carpathian dreamwalker & a blue flame shot up in my woodstove & the hawk outside called louding in confirmation

        I need guidance to use the flow of ancestral knowledge that resides in my soul trying to blossom

        I need to be a apprentice With you
        If you can not assist me any direction further on this path of my life would be greatly appreciated

        Thank you
        Many Blessings
        Katherine Bereznij

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    2. Spiralout says:

      Do you have any information on Shamans from Balkan area and its practice?
      Thank you

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      1. Hello spiralout, i don’t but if i do run across some i will post them on this web

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      2. danka says:

        yes i do, bit, born there, serbian

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  3. LSG_Ocean Lee says:

    Interesting article! We are blessed to live in a time when shamanism is returning to its place of respect!

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  4. Anita says:

    Lovely article. I am adopted, a shaman, and beyond genetics I can never know my family/past. I don’t ‘fit’ abilities wise with the other Shamans I know (my own fault, no ‘teacher’ so I learned on my own. A mixed media mystic like my art lol.) This article gives me good jumping off points to find others with like skills to connect with! Thank you!! Its hard to do things without folks who ‘speak your language .’

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    1. Thanks for the catch, i missed one !

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      1. Rico says:

        I also really loved the article. Thank you!

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      2. Thank you Rico, and thank you for the lyrics, i will share on other places, is that your main focus in your work, the Hutsul or do you have various things you study or do

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  5. Rico says:

    Here is a Hutsul song that was sung to me some years ago by a woman from the Carpathians: https://vimeo.com/115723610

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    1. Thank you so much, i will listen right now, phoenix

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      1. Rico says:

        Here are the lyrics. A friend of mine wants to improve on them, so I didn’t include them in the video yet.

        I will hang a little cradle in a garden from a linden tree.
        And the wind will gently rock my little child.
        Grow, grow, my little son, grow up big and strong.
        So you can cut some wood for your mother and bring her water.
        Grow, grow, my little son, my green meadow.
        All my hope is on you when I grow old.
        Oh, where will I shelter you?
        Under the leaves in the garden, under the sweet honey tree.
        The meadow will be in bloom and sweet honey trees will have their fruit.
        And my child will grow up and pick these fruits.
        The little river runs passed the hillside.
        We met there in that little green meadow.

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      2. Rico says:

        Hi Phoenix. I’m a filmmaker and spent a lot of time in the Carpathians making a film about salt. That’s when I met Dariya and her husband, the poet Oleh Lysheha. Right now I’m working on a feature called The After Party, which is about a group of clowns who celebrate after their circus has closed. Partly based on Ecclesiastes. Thanks for asking!

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      3. That is great Rico, I ran across a salt mine with sculptures once in Poland, I might have the images somewhere, if i find i will share, also i posted your song that Dariya sang with your link to your vimeo page, thanks for sharing the lyrics also

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  6. member Ukrainian native minority from eastern poland says:

    What Whisper witches in Poland and Molfars in Ukraine have in common? They are of Ukrainian ethnicity.

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    1. The aspects of shaman are ancient, the layers upon which shamans access is varied, at the root all shamans are healers, that is the main aspects, when you add things like exorcisms, or dream walking, or shadow hunting, you enter many layers deeper of shamans who are both wielders of life and death. Each peoples have their own traditions and the individual shaman carries their own particular layer from many lifetimes. My grandmothers are of a shamanic lineage that is closer in description to the black shamans of Siberia. Once the Black Madonna was “regulated” by christian religion, the Slavic and Balkan people fell asleep and forgot she was a black shaman, but religion rolled her into the ‘mother goddess’ role, when her roots and origins were not and nothing to do with children in general. So the question you ask what do they have in commmon.

      Shaman is healer and that is what they have in common, my long ancestral lineage is southern Poland at the Ukraine border (once all of Ukraine) and it is the root of the Whisperer as a shaman (NOT witch). Witch and Shaman have nothing in common as the ways they walk their life, there maybe some similarities in objects or tools, but that is about all – Witch is a derogatory term given to women, all women (shamans, witches, herbalists, midwives, seers, etc) by Christian religious men all over the world, so I do not use that term as a shaman.

      Molfars is a word that describes something, just like Whisperer is, of a shaman-healer and both are still is around in modern times, all shamans are healers regardless of the ‘border’ war and religous corruptions that have been created in our past. Since i have a blending of both (poland-ukraine border ancestors), my ancestral heritage is shaman not witch, and is why whisperers and molfars are connected, not exactly the same, but the root is connected through shamanism, i call Molfars shamans and I call Whisperers shamans because they are.

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      1. donnamferris says:

        Oh, I’m seeing much more clearly now with this article and so many loose ends connected. Being and not fully embracing my lineage, Lithuanian (folk dancer too growing up) healer and dreamer, etc., this is inspiring to me. Plus a huge attraction to Siberian Shamans. If feel we shall connect further…to see what may be revealed. Thank you for your Service. ❤

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      2. Thanks Donna, glad you shared!

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      3. Katherine Menges says:

        Hello, my grandmother is from the former country of Galicia which happened to have been in the same area as your lineage. I am pleased that you and I are connected in a way. I am still trying to find my way.

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      4. Thank you Katherine, glad you found us, soul sisters! Keep finding our way all the way to the end!

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  7. Shaman says:

    Movement .. many .. ❤

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  8. David Polka says:

    Way to go, using and altering an artist’s work without permission or attribution. If you’re going to take images from artists and photoshop them to suit your own questionable purposes, the least you could do is credit them. That Wardruna image is by David D’Andrea, it took all of 15 secs on Google to find that info, but I guess you’re too lazy or ignorant to bother…

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    1. Thanks David I will add the information and I put the “words at the bottom of the art” because She Who Whispers is what Wardruna actually means, and as a female Polish Whisperer and Wind Whisperer myself – I added it so others would know what it mean, and I didn’t touch his artwork at all – thanks for respecting David D’Andrea work and protecting him, i will add the information, blessings Phoenix

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  9. shamamabear says:

    That you for a lovely post! Rather than Odin, I would argue that it is Freyja–the First Shaman who TAUGHT Odin the shaman’s arts in her”dark” role as goddess of prophesy, battle, healing– that should be the one compared to the Molfar.

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    1. Hi shamamabear, thanks for stopping by, i have read some of your work and respect it much, i agree with you, in my path, women are the root of everything, all shamanism, cave shamanism etc, in my article I was just respecting some Slavic Pagan information of that particular paragraph, I have learned coming from a very eclectic polish family, that if you piss one slav off, you’ve pissed 10,000 off, that was fine in my youth and adult to deal with such behaviors, but now as elder, I know the root of our past, and i live the root, for the seeker, its easy, for the fearful, its wiser to ease them into the illusion they have been living, otherwise it burns like hell, and I am not here at this stage of the game to burn anyone except when i do freelance exorcisms

      Blessings Baba Phoenix

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      1. shamamabear says:

        Yes, there has been enough burning in all of our pasts. Blessings to you, too, Baba.

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  10. SubZeroBC says:

    Wonderful read thank you. I have tried connecting myself with the unseen world with some success but found myself in a position I didn’t want to be in. I’m wondering if this means I was not ready or if upon entering this state of mind I have to prove myself worthy of good. Or maybe i don’t have a choice with fate. Any thoughts would be appreciated

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    1. SubzeroBC, as a teacher, there is much over there in the dream worlds (the unseen) that cannot really come over here, so your safe, its when the veils fall and you are not prepared, that it becomes unsafe, stay connected and we have a facebook if you want to join us there https://www.facebook.com/ElderMountainRetreats

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  11. Amera Ziganii Rao says:

    Thank you so much. I have always wondered why I am disliked as much within the spiritual circles much of the time, as I am disliked by those of the dark. You have articulated my gifts to another level entirely, and indeed boosted ‘my’ power even more. Amera Ziganii Rao

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    1. Amera Ziganii for sharing, stay strong and love who you are, down to the core to heal it! blessings baba phoenix

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      1. Thank you so much and great love to you too. AZR

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  12. Greg says:

    This is an excellent piece on the history of this all but lost ancient art. Thank you for you effort and knowledge. Blessings on your journey.

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    1. Thank you Greg, its experience… memory, remembrance all play a part, blessings baba Phoenix

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  13. Gina says:

    Hello! Your article is so fascinating, I will have to re read it several times to get everything out of it! I appreciate your sharing of your knowledge, and I would ask one question, if you don’t mind…? My female lineage, which I feel very closely drawn to, is from the Baltic Sea area of the former Prussia….as close as this is to Poland, would you have any information on the shaman activity in this area in history? Thank you so much for your information and assistance, and blessings to you!

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    1. Hi Gina, i don’t have any information but if i do find some I will post here – blessings Baba Phoenix

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  14. Reblogged this on Tara Greene,Tarot, Astrology, Psychic & everything you need and commented:
    Carpathian shamans and Polish magical shamans. This is my genetic background. Russian, Romanian, Polish.

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  15. thank you for this beautiful post. My genetic background is Polish my grandmother born in Kielz, my Grandfather was Russian, my fathers father Romanian, other grandmother Austrian/Polish. I have always remembered that I did not come from here and life is multi-dimensional. Always had an attraction for witches, Siberia, magic. I know the term witch was meant as a put down but i prefer to rehonour it as in popular culture it has been positively revived through Harry Potter. There are many types of witches, green witches, white witches. I have studied Indigenous Native American shamanism and their paths both are mystical but different. Shamans source energy. NAtive American shamans also call rain, change weather patterns. It is all the same for me at Source. That is why I also like to use the term Sourceress. Thanks for your wonderful research.

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    1. Thank you Tara for sharing, all things have many names over the many thousands of years. Stay true to your heart and you will find you!

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      1. i hear you loud and clear and wholeheartedly agree. I am trying to destigmatize the word witch. Like the word crone or hag., these words were once words of honor for women. Much of my path has been to awaken women to their original power. Words have power. Yes dreaming into the past which is the present and future. All time is now. My mother used to read these popular books about Clan of the Cave bear and I believe these were past live sparks of memories for her. Caves, the wombs of the Goddess. We can remember who we were and who we are. Thanks for being a stalwart Goddess/matriarchy/wise woman/ curandera/shamaness. I am with you in my soul. Blessings upon you
        Tara

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      2. Hi Tara, thanks for the comment, words do have power, i prefer maiden, mother and grandmother as the stages of a female’s lifetime, my favorites are bone mother and death mother, its much more ancient than crown (crone) or hag, i was born old, and I will die young ❤ Phoenix

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  16. Ara says:

    Thank you so much for sharing this wisdom and in keeping the channel of the sacred open. My maternal line is rooted deep in the Carpathians in Ukraine and Polish heritage and my Paternal has branches in Siberia. What you have said resonates very deeply with the core of my being. I’ve followed the natural calling since birth and have always heard the whispers of the Earth, her creatures and messages in the dreamland’s. I look forward to reading more of your insight and to deeper connection with your work. Blessings to you and to your path ~ Ara

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    1. Thank you Ara, please do keep in touch, the slavic and balkan mysteries are pretty hidden as you know, we were the last as a race to be Christianized which means many of the rituals in dance, folk songs, symbolism remains true to ancient times and that is whats so great, i know the slavic and balkan pagan movement is big now, but they seem to be focused more on middle ages viking times, when the turmoil of battles the Christians descended, but that is male lead, what I am dedicated to and live in my own spiritual life is a time before that, before pagans and the roots of dreaming and shamanistic and animistic reality of woman, join our email list if you wish its eldermountaindreaming@gmail – blessings phoenix

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      1. Ara says:

        I will for sure sign up for your email list, thank you so much. I look forward to unraveling more of this thread. I shared your article in my feminine circles yesterday and it called a lot of wisdom and memory home for so many. Again, thank you. ~Blessings, Ara

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  17. Alef says:

    Hi, thank you for writing this! I have been interested for some time now of learning more about Polish pagan history and practices.. Sadly I am becoming disconnected from any ancestral knowledge that was available to me as my Polish grandmother is now very old and can no longer speak.. we have a lot of family in Poland but no one left, that we know of, by blood as my grandmother was adopted during WWII and her family killed. I would like to learn how i can honor and pray to my ancestors- in an appropriate way- according to polish/Slavik practice. Do you have any advice? Thank you

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    1. Hello Para, not sure what ‘dense’ means in this context of the article, could you explain that and glad you liked it

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  18. Virginia Lonesky says:

    Wonderful to see my Grandmother’s heritage, and the unseen worlds she knew …but alas she passed when I was 5 years old… and it didn’t stop me from seeking the path through the tribal people in North and South and Central America as well as mountains of Peru. I always knew there was a long line of shaman from Ukrane, and now I see the inclusion of Hungarian…it ALL fits together. At the right time… I’m learning more at 70 years old…how wonderful… Munay

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    1. Beautiful, thanks for sharing Virginia.

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  19. Reblogged this on Shamanic Wise Women and commented:
    Adding this to the Shamanic Wise Woman, as it reflects the history of female shamanism. There is not enough information about women and their heritage. It is interesting to read, and see the videos of actual elders practicing. Well worth reading, and sharing. Thank you for writing this Blog. Nightsky~

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    1. Thank you and I will take a look at your page too, blessings phoenix

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  20. edie stone says:

    Found your FB post on Shaman of Two Worlds, would love to share it. My background is in Celtic shamanism, and I love learning about these ancient and still living traditions in old Europe.

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    1. Thanks edie, share anything you like and so nice to make contract with you! ~Phoenix

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  21. Roxanna says:

    ty.I am of Hutsul blood. even 10 yrs ago…the word Hutsul was recieved with a blank look…. It is wonderful to see it anywhere but definition. Born in a veil. my Baba still has… I have had to explain many times, why no one cuts my hair, why all my teeth, and children’s teeth are in my possession. why the vest woven of horse hair, my hair, and my children’s hair, is very beautiful, but no…. you may not touch it. it pleased me greatly to see you post. I thankyou.

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    1. Thank you for sharing Roxanna, yes you are from the lineage of one of the rare white indigenous peoples left, always a good thing. My blood flows much remembrance of things I could not explain when I was young now as an elder and having honored this this type of life of an old soul, I just keep it flowing in a creative way and stop by again.

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  22. pvwitch says:

    Reblogged this on Pioneer Valley Witch and commented:
    I saw this on Facebook last year and now I’m saving it to my Witch blog. I had long suspected that my breed of weirdness was a long-running, if secret, family trait on the Polish side, and this helped confirm it. In the past year I have delved into shamanism and it feels like coming home.

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  23. jmh611 says:

    I cannot express how powerful this article has been for me. For years, I have researched witch craft trying to make sense of my dreams and why I dream the way I do. And although witch craft gave me some perspective I could never directly pin point myself in all of it. This summer I returned to Poland, the country of my mother, grandmother, and mothers before her, for the first time in almost 20 years. I felt it was here I would come to understand what I had been searching for for most of my life. Last night, I read this article and it literally felt as if it was written for me. So much of what you said about karma, ego, searching for understanding, and the fundamental suffering that comes with such a gift has been intrinsic in my thoughts and life. My beliefs are in the universe, I trust the universe, and I trust that it brought me here. I realized that no one has commented on this article in almost a year, but I hope you will see this and respond. I have so many questions that I would love to ask you in a more private forum. I hope to hear from you soon and thank you so much.

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